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Anamaria's avatar

Oh, I know it’s hard to leave a tradition that nourished you… infant baptism is so important and are the sacraments… but keep going, the Anglican position isn’t really tenable… come all the way home. ❤️ Brad Gregory’s lectures on the reformation are very informative. Scott Hahn’s rome sweet home is good.

Scripture was put together by the early church.

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Joshua Rodriguez's avatar

I appreciate Catholicism for many reasons, but I definitely cannot align with it for now. Perhaps I will write an article explaining why in the near future.

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Shawn Ruby's avatar

Hey, I'm fine with any tradition. I would be curious why specifically not rcc. I'm also interested in if you looked into eo.

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Anamaria's avatar

Just pray more and do more research. Read Newman and Chesterton and Edmund campion and the converts from Anglicanism that lost so much by becoming Catholic. Read stripping of the altars to see how much was lost.

At best you could say Elizabeth founded the Anglican Church to try to unify a broken country, at worst that Henry viii just wanted an heir (or to bed Anne bolyn)… not exactly great conviction in the truth either way.

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Jeff's avatar

The Anglican position is completely tenable. The idea that what Jesus had in mind was the Catholic Church, and ONLY the Catholic Church... now THAT'S untenable.

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Anamaria's avatar

Yes the idea that our Lord wanted one unified church is completely absurd…

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Jeff's avatar

The idea that He would define “one unified church” as one of the most corrupt institutions in human history, and on the basis of that same institution simply declaring itself so, is indeed absurd.

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Joseph D'Hippolito's avatar

As a former Catholic, I would advise you to stay millions of miles away from Catholicism. The church fathers you admire would not recognize it right now.

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Joseph D'Hippolito's avatar

So how would you explain the following facts?

1. Most of the New Testament was written by 70 A.D. D and all of it was written by 100 A.D..

2. The earliest documents of the New Testament circulated between the various churches and the eastern Mediterranean before there was a book-binding process.

3. All of the authors of the epistles and the book of Revelation either quoted or alluded to sections of the Old Testament

4. Paul told Timothy that “all scripture is divinely inspired and useful for correction, reproof, instruction and training in righteousness.“ (2 Timothy 3: 16-17). Since the New Testament had yet to be fully written, let alone compiled, Paul obviously was referring to the Old Testament.

5. When Paul preached in a synagogue in Berea, the Berean Jews “search the scriptures” to find out if Paul is preaching about Jesus was correct (Acts 17).

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Joseph Louthan's avatar

Our little once Calvary Chapel church just recently pivoted to Reformed Baptist (1689). One elder correctly summed up our new tradition, “we have more in common with Presbyterians and Anglicans than we have with a Baptist church down the street.”

Welcome aboard.

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Jennie Brandon's avatar

I'm so sad that this humble, carefully written article inspired some of you to such hatefulness. Regardless of your theology, can we not agree that God is love and that Jesus asked us to love one another? Sheesh, I'd hate to be someone outside Christianity looking in on this nastiness. It's not just defensive of your own corners. It's hateful (amongst the respectful discussions).

Believe it or not, it's possible to be an intelligent, faithful Anglican, read the church fathers (yes, and the doctor Scott Hahn and Father Mike) and decide not to join the Catholic Church. Go ahead. Burn me at the stake why don't you?

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HickChristian News's avatar

I understand this. I was Southern Baptist my entire life, and then, I found myself unable to continue in the tradition. I chose Catholicism because I was desperate to understand the sacred nature of God. I was worn out on church theatrics and the dismissal of the sacrament. God is a holy being, and I never felt his holiness consistently worshipped until I attended a Catholic church. I cannot agree with every doctrine of the church. I'm far too Baptist to be agreeable. But I can appreciate the doctrines of the church and their weight.

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Leah's avatar

I’m not a regular reader here, but I can relate to much of this. My husband and I joined a confessional Lutheran church for similar reasons right after he graduated with his MA Theology from a prominent evangelical/interdenominational seminary. He went to our synod’s seminary for his MDiv (lol yes that second shot at seminary life was hard for me to swallow at first) and is now a Lutheran pastor.

Anyway, it’s been a good and humbling and beautiful journey, but the goodbyes were and still are oh-so hard.

Saying a prayer for God’s continued guidance for you and your family.

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Taylor Daniel's avatar

Welcome aboard! Former non-denom/baptist myself, now an ACNA priest and college minister.

It sounds like you’re already further along on this than I was when I converted (the Anglican methodology of doing theology won me first, the messiness and family dynamic of doctrinal difference and commonality within the communion), but one piece of advice:

The prayerbook and a prayerbook spirituality is the heart of Anglicanism. Drink it in, daily and deeply!

God bless yall

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Joshua Rodriguez's avatar

Hey Taylor! Thanks a lot. My family has been doing evening prayer every night together, and my wife and I do morning prayer on our own. We've been using the BCP since before we changed denominations. I have fallen deeply in love with the BCP and am so upset I had no idea about it until I was 30. I have even recommended it to a lot of my Baptist friends who do not plan on changing, but also use it on a daily basis.

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J. Adam Kane's avatar

I went through my own de-Baptisting from 2007-2017, and was deeply challenged by the claims of the Roman Catholic and Lutheran communions during that time. Ultimately, the force of Scripture compels me to be Reformed, even if the churches aren’t always… my favorite.

Anyway, congratulations on landing, and may the Anglican communion allow you to worship God in Spirit and in truth for many generations.

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Joshua Rodriguez's avatar

Amen. God leads His dear children along.

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Emily Hess's avatar

I'm Catholic, and thought this was heading towards y'all being Orthodox, lol. That seems to be where a lot of people are ending up.

There's much in the Anglican tradition that's beautiful. I am (probably unsurprisingly) curious why you're not Catholic and will probably be spending some time mentally tallying up the ways the two traditions are different in an effort to suss it out...please do write that article on why you ended up where you did!

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JasonT's avatar

I would encourage anyone to read the Church Fathers. However, they should be read in light of Scripture, not the other way round.

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Joshua Rodriguez's avatar

This article might help you understand my hermeneutic. I do not put the Fathers above Scripture. I use the consensus of the Church throughout history to help me understand Scripture. The Church is the pillar and bulwark of the truth: https://saintsandsociety.substack.com/p/heresy-of-heresies-all-is-heresy

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JasonT's avatar

We disagree on the identity of the pillar and bulwark of the truth. Councils have been contradictory and wrong. Useful, but only under Scripture.

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Emily Hess's avatar

The pillar of truth is the Church though... (1 Timothy 3:15)

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JasonT's avatar

The church is a pillar of truth, as should be every Believer. Jesus, the Word of God, claimed to be the Truth, and is the only reliable source of truth through the Holy Spirit. The church's one foundation is Jesus Christ, her Lord. Any other foundation is prone to failure, as useful as it may be.

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Emily Hess's avatar

But He said to Peter, "You are (Petros, rock) and on this rock I will build my Church."

Kind of sounds like He was building a foundation there.

I agree the Church cannot exist as Church without Christ. But I think He set it (the Church, the process of Salvation) as a duet, not a solo.

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JasonT's avatar

There can be but one foundation. Peter or Christ. Peter, through the Holy Spirit, recognized Christ's identity and, having spoken it, was recognized by Christ as having been illuminated by the Father. Indeed Christ, by virtue that He is the Son of the Living God is the Foundation of his bride, the Church, the company of all believers in all times. We are grateful for faithful and courageous men and women, but we follow the risen Christ.

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Brett N. PharmD's avatar

A very charitable treatment. I appreciate when one can explain their reasoning behind new convictions without needing to disparage those they are leaving behind.

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Peter Nayland Kust's avatar

"Then Pharisees and scribes came to Jesus from Jerusalem and said, “Why do your disciples transgress the tradition of the elders? For they do not wash their hands when they eat.” He answered them, “And why do you transgress the commandment of God for the sake of your tradition? For God commanded, ‘Honor your father and your mother,’ and, ‘He who speaks evil of father or mother, let him surely die.’ But you say, ‘If any one tells his father or his mother, What you would have gained from me is given to God, he need not honor his father.’ So, for the sake of your tradition, you have made void the word of God. You hypocrites! Well did Isaiah prophesy of you, when he said:

‘This people honors me with their lips, but their heart is far from me;

in vain do they worship me, teaching as doctrines the precepts of men.’”"

Matthew 15:1-9

Tradition and doctrine are of men, not God.

In worship and prayer, God alone is what matters.

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Forrest Dillon's avatar

Do you suffer from narcissism that drove your decision?

If you have children to be baptized, then you have identified yourself as being young. And quite possibly lacking wisdom.

I attended an Anglican Church for two years and I greatly enjoyed it. It benefitted me tremendously. One of my former Baptist pastors directed me to that church because there were no Baptist churches he could recommend in a suburb of 330,000. I was fleeing from a former Baptist, then non-denominational church where the senior pastor often contracted the scripture and openly criticized scripture.

But the Anglican position of women preaching and holding the title of priest cannot be reconciled with the scripture. The Anglican Church I attended was one of the first churches to leave the Episcopal denomination. The head rector claimed they left the Episcopalian denomination because it had abandoned long established practices and beliefs - not because the head Episcopalian Bishop in America was an out-of-the-closet homosexual. If the head rector’s claim is true, then how can he reconcile with the establishment of female priests who preach from the pulpit?

Do I believe that Baptists and Baptist churches are perfect? Absolutely not. But there are some that are very good. I was a member of a great Southern Baptist church in my previous town and I have found a very good Southern Baptist church where I now live.

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Jon Caudle's avatar

FWIW he stated that he is in the Anglican Diocese of the Living Word, which does NOT permit ordination of women to the priesthood.

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Shawn Ruby's avatar

No, he wrote a whole article that outlined why they switched and still love baptists. It's best to accept their journey with Christ, and be grateful for them. If they bring up topics they're willing to talk about, then that's a great position to put your thoughts out there on that. God bless. 🙏

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Tim Bonner's avatar

Keep learning and searching for the Truth. The Anglicans don't have it; no Protestant denomination has it. Anglicanism was started by a blood thirsty, wife-killing man to get what he wanted. No Anglican priest confects the Body and Blood of Christ - the Eucharist. Only Catholic ( and Orthodox priests but that's another discussion) priests can call upon Christ through the Holy Spirit and change the bread and wine in to the Body and Blood of Christ. The only valid Sacrament Anglicans have is valid Baptism and nothing else. Find out why.

You are on your way to becoming a Catholic. Don't fight it, accept the Truth and be free! To accept the entirety of Deposit of Faith is the most freeing experience you will ever know.

Every denomination was started by a man. Only ONE church was started by Christ himself and continues unchanged in its teachings, which are without error. Yes, it is run by fallible men but man has not changed Her teachings or Traditions. Christ stated the gates of Hell would never prevail against His church. Christ is imparting his grace upon you. Don't reject it as it means you are rejecting Christ

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Jeff's avatar

"Join my church, which has declared itself the only church. It also decided to reject it is to reject Jesus Himself. And a reason to reject Anglicanism is that Henry 8 was a wife killer... but my church has done infinitely worse, and that's no problem at all." This is all so persuasive I can hardly restrain myself from selling indulgences, torturing a non-Catholic (or maybe a thousand), or worshipping Mary.

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Tim Bonner's avatar

Wow, ad hominem attacks. No facts stated. This is bigotry: bias combined with ignorance. All evidence is there, to deny it is to deny Christ himself. The Truth is the Truth. If one is not a Catholic, then one is not a Christian. One cannot be a Protestant and call themself a Christian. You either follow the Teachings and Traditions (oral teachings passed on that were not written down) and obey Christ and the authority structure He put in place, or you don't and interpret for yourself what the scriptures say and mean. St Paul instructs us NOT to do this. You obviously have not done your homework and not read the Early Church Fathers.'

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Jeff's avatar

It's not ad hominem in the least, it specifically attacks your idea, not you. Far more ad hominem is your blanket condemnation to Hell of all who do not accept the Italian church's self-proclaimed sole possession of truth. No facts stated? How about when I stated that the Italian church has killed millions (tens of millions?) more than Henry ever did? If you respond please actually respond to what I wrote, not what you wish I wrote.

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Shawn Ruby's avatar

Just relax man and be happy for them.

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Joseph D'Hippolito's avatar

Joshua, I suggest that you ignore the advice above. As a former Catholic, I can tell you that the Catholic Church (outside of Christ’s resurrection and Ascension) is built on lies. Its scriptural exegesis is nothing but ex post facto rationalization of doctrines and practices Jesus would not have embraced.

The Catholic Church long ago sacrificed its patrimony on the altar of wealth, power, political influence, secular prestige, sexual perversion, intellectual fashion, and institutional arrogance. It is being judged by a holy, righteous God, as we speak. If you don’t believe that, read about the vision Pope Leo XIII had late in the 19th century, in which Jesus gave Satan *permission* to *destroy* the Catholic Church within a century.

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Tim Bonner's avatar

Ugh boy! You are angry,. Something happened to you that made you hateful and spiteful. It’s all over your comment. You are dead wrong.

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Jeff's avatar

He may have good reason to be angry. The Catholic Church has destroyed countless lives; and one does tire of being told by its adherents that based on its own authority it has declared itself the only true way to follow Jesus.

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Joseph D'Hippolito's avatar

Thank you!

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Joseph D'Hippolito's avatar

No, I’m not “dead wrong.“ In response to one of your posts later in this thread, I posted links to five articles. Read them for yourself. They accurately describe the Catholic Church today, which is an apostate mess run by apostates who worship globalist, materialist utopianism as God rather than God as God.

I also suggest you consider the words of Malachi Martin, a former Jesuit priest, who never left the church. Martin made these comments to a traditional catholic interviewer, Bernard Jensen, three decades ago. YouTube has the videos:

"The organization, the Roman Catholic Organization, as an organization, that is composed of Cardinals, Bishops, Priests, Religious, Nuns, with schools and academies, and institutions, parishes and dioceses and everything that goes along with this, that this, as an organization, is in apostasy."

"At the present moment a sizable majority of people are in apostasy, have been led into apostasy, and a sizeable minority of Cardinals, Bishops, Priests, and Religious are in apostasy. They no longer profess the basic truths of Christianity – forget Catholicism."

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ViaVeritasVita's avatar

Thank you, Lord God.

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Tyler Gordon's avatar

Baptist, Catholic, eastern O. None of it matters if you’re not born again!!

Good read though.

https://open.substack.com/pub/tylermgordon/p/chapter-3-you-must-be-born-again?r=5h8ez5&utm_medium=ios

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Morgan Elizabeth Folgers's avatar

Welcome to the ACNA, friend! I share many of the same convictions. I joined my ACNA church over one year ago!

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